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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:21 pm 
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In 2016 the HSR Authority said that EIR would be done in 2017. Then 2018. Now 2020. It's been reported that the project is already 7 years behind schedule. Only a government boondoggle can continue after so many failures and cost overruns. To make it worse most leadership positions are filled by temporary people after the top admins bailed like rats from a sinking ship. Probably the worst thing for the project is that Jerry Brown will be gone in just 13 months.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:57 pm 
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The rail authority has the funds to probably complete 119 miles of track in the Central Valley from Merced to Wasco, but it could stall after that point unless the Legislature finds a new source of money.

This is a very telling sentence. First, the word "probably" doesn't instill confidence that this is true. Next, "119 miles of track" doesn't mention anything about stations or actual trains. Finally "new source of money" - I wonder if they've already factored in the AB 32 "Carbon Tax...err...Credit" funds that are already dedicated to this boondoggle? How about the ADDITIONAL gas tax and vehicle registration fees that haven't kicked in yet?

It almost doesn't matter. This system will never be profitable if it does not connect LA to SF. The HSRA has WILDLY underestimated the cost of connecting Merced to San Jose, and has no idea how to connect Bakersfield to Palmdale.

Meanwhile, Diane's buddy Ron continues to rake in the dough for being "delayed"...

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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:24 pm 
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And how many billions would that almost useless segment cost us in the end?


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:34 am 
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^ Apparently, all. All the Billions we currently have.

Point of fact; If you really want to get your train riding Jones on, you can already ride a train from Merced to Wasco. It will set you back $25, leaves once every 2 hours, and will get you there about 10 minutes after you could have driven it in your car. You don't even need reservations; the train is never full.

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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:36 pm 
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More bad news for the bullet train and time is running out for Gov Brown to keep it going... In the mean time the cost for the initial segment has increased to just over $100 million per mile. $3.4 billion for 31 miles. And that's for one of simplest segments, Madera to Fresno!

For the 119 mile Central Valley segment the price has jumped $2.8 billion to $10.6 billion. That's up almost 80% from the original estimate of $6 billion.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new ... story.html


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:52 pm 
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SurfnSnowboard wrote:
More bad news for the bullet train and time is running out for Gov Brown to keep it going... In the mean time the cost for the initial segment has increased to just over $100 million per mile. $3.4 billion for 31 miles. And that's for one of simplest segments, Madera to Fresno!

For the 119 mile Central Valley segment the price has jumped $2.8 billion to $10.6 billion. That's up almost 80% from the original estimate of $6 billion.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new ... story.html

Worth repeating; that cost doesn't include trains.

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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:02 pm 
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boarddad wrote:
SurfnSnowboard wrote:
More bad news for the bullet train and time is running out for Gov Brown to keep it going... In the mean time the cost for the initial segment has increased to just over $100 million per mile. $3.4 billion for 31 miles. And that's for one of simplest segments, Madera to Fresno!

For the 119 mile Central Valley segment the price has jumped $2.8 billion to $10.6 billion. That's up almost 80% from the original estimate of $6 billion.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new ... story.html

Worth repeating; that cost doesn't include trains.

That's looking less likely to be a problem - they may never have to purchase any at this rate!


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:40 pm 
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Will it hit Rock Ridge tho?

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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Build a wall
PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:32 am 
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So now it's looking like it could end up costing up to $14 BILLION to build about 140 miles of track. Can we really afford to build that?
...I bet if Obama built a wall in 2011 it'd be ~$14B. Currently $25B wall.

The funny thing is, the voters demanded the rail boondoggle 100% (in the sense that the voter initiative ran once and won once*). I guess the case could be made that they demanded the wall 50% (candidate won 1/1, but it was a 2-part slogan "...and make Mexico pay for it.")



* P.S. nobody I can find will admit to voting YES on the boondoggle. Are there really some who choose yes as a kinda default?


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:43 pm 
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The California bullet train project took a sharp jump in price Friday when the state rail authority announced the cost of connecting Los Angeles to San Francisco would total $77.3 billion, an increase of $13 billion from estimates two years ago, and could potentially rise as high as $98.1 billion.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

Oh and the San Jose to Wasco segment won't open until at least 2029.

I'm shocked :lol:


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"First, build the wall!"


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:33 am 
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SurfnSnowboard wrote:
The California bullet train project took a sharp jump in price Friday when the state rail authority announced the cost of connecting Los Angeles to San Francisco would total $77.3 billion, an increase of $13 billion from estimates two years ago, and could potentially rise as high as $98.1 billion.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

Oh and the San Jose to Wasco segment won't open until at least 2029.

I'm shocked :lol:


Just to put it in perspective, that's $2500 per person (man, woman, old, young, regardless of legal status).

Can I just cut my check now? The only thing we know for sure is that the $98.1 billion estimate isn't worth the paper it is written on either. The CHSRA has NO IDEA how they will get between Bakersfield and Palmdale, which is the only piece of rail that matters if you are going to connect to LA. Pretty sure you could deduct that on your taxes because there is no way this thing will ever be profitable.


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:09 pm 
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boarddad wrote:
SurfnSnowboard wrote:
The California bullet train project took a sharp jump in price Friday when the state rail authority announced the cost of connecting Los Angeles to San Francisco would total $77.3 billion, an increase of $13 billion from estimates two years ago, and could potentially rise as high as $98.1 billion.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california ... story.html

Oh and the San Jose to Wasco segment won't open until at least 2029.

I'm shocked :lol:


Just to put it in perspective, that's $2500 per person (man, woman, old, young, regardless of legal status).

Can I just cut my check now? The only thing we know for sure is that the $98.1 billion estimate isn't worth the paper it is written on either. The CHSRA has NO IDEA how they will get between Bakersfield and Palmdale, which is the only piece of rail that matters if you are going to connect to LA. Pretty sure you could deduct that on your taxes because there is no way this thing will ever be profitable.


Maybe Elon can help them with his Boring Company. Otherwise I see that segment costing over $50 billion.


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 Post subject: Re: The High Speed Rail boondoggle
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:11 am 
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They need to scrap this stupid idea all together and just Elon's hyper loop once it's ready. A fraction of the cost, quicker, doesn't use as much land, I could go on and on and on...


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